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Zephareth Ledbetter's avatar

I admire that you are willing to question the actions of "your side", John, but I think you're getting caught up in an unsuitable comparison. Israel is our ally, but it is not, nor has it ever been, the United States, or had our Constitution. We are technically politically allied with Pakistan as well, but they certainly have policies which would be rejected - if not looked upon as criminal - here. If we held every ally to our standards, we'd have no allies.

Also, Colonial America and contemporary Israel are vastly different scenarios. I understand your observation about holding fast to your principles even (and sometimes especially) in the face of adversity. But Israel has been on a life raft in the middle of an ocean, besieged since its inception by the surrounding sharks. That has necessitated many creative, outside-the-box approaches to maintaining their survival as a people. While I'm not saying I agree with everything Israel does or has done, none of us are in their shoes to legitimately criticize their actions.

Aside from some early settlement activity (not that they had any choice after the Shoah), everything which has been suffered by Arabs at the hands of Israelis could have been prevented by simply accepting their existence. Instead, they chose hatred.

Israel does what it feels it has to do, whether you or I or anyone else thinks differently. That shouldn't make them any less our ally.

ZL

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Steven's avatar

I'm rather tired of this double standard that so many apply to Israel. If it's not absolutely perfect it's not worth having as an ally? Genocide or terrorists getting nukes is fine if our allies don't have the same laws we do? THAT is your argument?

The US is the ONLY nation on this planet which has the U.S. Constitution, yet I don't recall any articles here using our Constitution as the measure of whether we ought to support Ukraine, or Taiwan, or for that matter NATO or any country we've offered defensive assistance to in the face of aggression. It certainly wasn't applied to any of our allies in any previous war and we haven't turned our noses up at anyone who's assisted us before or currently. Last I heard, Israel is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East, it's utterly indisputable they were attacked first, and even here normal legal standards for citizens do NOT apply to enemy combatants in a time of war.

Understand this: Israel is our ally. Their support is essential to our own interests in the region. They are fighting and dying to deal with one of our mutual enemies who has engaged in outright terrorism, war crimes, and attempted genocide. So your response is to quibble about their legal practices? Don't you fricken dare try to hide your antisemitism behind your misinterpretation of the U.S. Constitution and call that Conservatism you bigot. Our foreign policy is being determined by those officials we have appointed to do so, in furtherance of our national interests, according to our Constitution.

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