Everyone knows that Trump and Clinton were both besties with Epstein so it's not a partisan thing. In 2007 the US attorney in Florida (Alex Acosta, later Trump labor sec.) was told told to stand down because Epstein was intelligence. Only 2 people can do that: the atty general and the president. It's been going on under multiple presidents, whatever "it" is. Some are more creepy than others, Dershowitz being the creepiest.
Something that keeps bothering me about this whole thing is why are all the conspiracy theorists focusing on this event in particular. I can think of at least half a dozen events that clearly point to disturbing levels of maleficence but were almost completely forgotten after they had left the 15-minute tweeter cycle.
One notably example being pizzagate which was inspired by references to "pizza" and "cheese" in the wikileaks cables in contexts where it clearly wasn't referring to real pizza or cheese along with the creepy "spirit cooking" rituals the circle of people around Clinton were involved in and the creepy decor at Comet Pizza where they hung out. Then some guy with a gun showed up at Comet Pizza and this was taken by the media to be a "refutation" of the conspiracy theory even though that makes no logical sense, and all the energy got redirected into the Epstein files. One notably difference between the two conspiracies is that Pizzagate appeared to involve pre-pubescent children if both sexes whereas Epstein used almost legal girls.
More disturbingly notice how easily the elites are able to redirect conspiracy theorists onto the conspiracy of their choice.
It's an interesting question. I think one of the reasons Epstein took off was because Trump used it. The other reason is that it so obviously looks fishy. Lost videos, sleeping guards, sweetheart plea deals, etc.
At a higher level I think conspiracies take off for the same reason that stories and videos go viral. In other words, who knows? Perhaps it all just comes down to chance.
Human traffiicking is a crime of the super wealthy. We all know of some of Epstein and Maxwell's victims. Epstein's claim to wealth is seriously sketchy. Maxwell's father worked with the Mossad, and we know all these people are Israel connected people This isn't 4d chess. Trump is pulling out chairs for well-known genocidal maniac Benjamin Netanyahu whenever he graces the White House with his presence for some reason. The 2 options are that they're all on the list and\or covering for their criminal friends who are. All of these very sick people are not just a joke like "Birds aren't real." They are monsters who need to be locked up. Red and blue. We aren't free in such a system that has a different set of rules for the working class than for the wealthy who are literally stealing our children and raping them.
> The 2 options are that they're all on the list and\or covering for their criminal friends who are.
If that was so, they wouldn't be talking about the list at all.
I swear it seems like all conspiracy theorists constantly fail a version of the breakfast question, "what would you do if you were actually involved in an evil conspiracy?"
I’m not from the US but would like to share what I’ve gathered from various sources. Like you, many feel there shouldn’t be 2 different sets of rules; a light or no touch set for the elite, and a heavier one for the rest. There’s also a feeling that Epstein never went after the daughters of the elite but victimised girls from a lower-class background. Of course, most prominent is that it’s a heinous crime and in fact a form of violence against your fellow man – or young person in this case – to force them into such compromising scenarios. All that is already disgusting and disgraceful enough without adding the “kompromat” angle - that predators desiring to control a society’s most powerful for future leverage are happy to exploit anyone for the sake of their own lust for holding on to power and perhaps property (land).
Maybe he learned his lesson when he got fired from the girls' boarding school for (allegedly) being creepy with the girls there. And he had recruiters and go betweens when he hit on the lower class girls in West Palm. Palm Beach is a whole different world
If Trump was implicated in the original "list," why would the Democrats, who would cut off their legs if it would enable them to destroy Trump and MAGA, not have brought it out and said, "See, we told you this guy is a monster!" The one reason they would not have brought it out is if it also implicated some of their favorite Democrat comrades. But they could have deleted their names and not had scruples about it. Instead, what seems most likely to me, is that they carefully added things about Trump, knowing that they would be able to hurt him either way. If he releases the contrived list, he is destroying himself. If he changes his mind, after saying over and over that he wanted it to come out, he also implicates himself.
The only other reasonable possibility in my opinion, is that Trump is playing them and after they demand the list be released, with the more uninformed Democrats thinking they could destroy Trump, he releases it and it destroys some of the Democrat favorites, making Trump look good for trying to protect them until he could no more and was forced to let the list out.
This doesn't make sense. Presumably anyone who was actually involved in Epstein's pedophilia knows what he did and so wouldn't be pushing to release the files.
Then again Pam Bondi's stunt with the binders doesn't inspire confidence in her intelligence, did she not even bother to look at what was in the binders before giving them out?
Everyone knows that Trump and Clinton were both besties with Epstein so it's not a partisan thing. In 2007 the US attorney in Florida (Alex Acosta, later Trump labor sec.) was told told to stand down because Epstein was intelligence. Only 2 people can do that: the atty general and the president. It's been going on under multiple presidents, whatever "it" is. Some are more creepy than others, Dershowitz being the creepiest.
Something that keeps bothering me about this whole thing is why are all the conspiracy theorists focusing on this event in particular. I can think of at least half a dozen events that clearly point to disturbing levels of maleficence but were almost completely forgotten after they had left the 15-minute tweeter cycle.
One notably example being pizzagate which was inspired by references to "pizza" and "cheese" in the wikileaks cables in contexts where it clearly wasn't referring to real pizza or cheese along with the creepy "spirit cooking" rituals the circle of people around Clinton were involved in and the creepy decor at Comet Pizza where they hung out. Then some guy with a gun showed up at Comet Pizza and this was taken by the media to be a "refutation" of the conspiracy theory even though that makes no logical sense, and all the energy got redirected into the Epstein files. One notably difference between the two conspiracies is that Pizzagate appeared to involve pre-pubescent children if both sexes whereas Epstein used almost legal girls.
More disturbingly notice how easily the elites are able to redirect conspiracy theorists onto the conspiracy of their choice.
It's an interesting question. I think one of the reasons Epstein took off was because Trump used it. The other reason is that it so obviously looks fishy. Lost videos, sleeping guards, sweetheart plea deals, etc.
At a higher level I think conspiracies take off for the same reason that stories and videos go viral. In other words, who knows? Perhaps it all just comes down to chance.
Human traffiicking is a crime of the super wealthy. We all know of some of Epstein and Maxwell's victims. Epstein's claim to wealth is seriously sketchy. Maxwell's father worked with the Mossad, and we know all these people are Israel connected people This isn't 4d chess. Trump is pulling out chairs for well-known genocidal maniac Benjamin Netanyahu whenever he graces the White House with his presence for some reason. The 2 options are that they're all on the list and\or covering for their criminal friends who are. All of these very sick people are not just a joke like "Birds aren't real." They are monsters who need to be locked up. Red and blue. We aren't free in such a system that has a different set of rules for the working class than for the wealthy who are literally stealing our children and raping them.
There is at least one other option: politicians used people's belief in a conspiracy to get their vote.
In the absence of real proof everyone is just guessing. It could be a real conspiracy, or it could just be a conspiracy theory.
> The 2 options are that they're all on the list and\or covering for their criminal friends who are.
If that was so, they wouldn't be talking about the list at all.
I swear it seems like all conspiracy theorists constantly fail a version of the breakfast question, "what would you do if you were actually involved in an evil conspiracy?"
I’m not from the US but would like to share what I’ve gathered from various sources. Like you, many feel there shouldn’t be 2 different sets of rules; a light or no touch set for the elite, and a heavier one for the rest. There’s also a feeling that Epstein never went after the daughters of the elite but victimised girls from a lower-class background. Of course, most prominent is that it’s a heinous crime and in fact a form of violence against your fellow man – or young person in this case – to force them into such compromising scenarios. All that is already disgusting and disgraceful enough without adding the “kompromat” angle - that predators desiring to control a society’s most powerful for future leverage are happy to exploit anyone for the sake of their own lust for holding on to power and perhaps property (land).
Well said.
Maybe he learned his lesson when he got fired from the girls' boarding school for (allegedly) being creepy with the girls there. And he had recruiters and go betweens when he hit on the lower class girls in West Palm. Palm Beach is a whole different world
If Trump was implicated in the original "list," why would the Democrats, who would cut off their legs if it would enable them to destroy Trump and MAGA, not have brought it out and said, "See, we told you this guy is a monster!" The one reason they would not have brought it out is if it also implicated some of their favorite Democrat comrades. But they could have deleted their names and not had scruples about it. Instead, what seems most likely to me, is that they carefully added things about Trump, knowing that they would be able to hurt him either way. If he releases the contrived list, he is destroying himself. If he changes his mind, after saying over and over that he wanted it to come out, he also implicates himself.
The only other reasonable possibility in my opinion, is that Trump is playing them and after they demand the list be released, with the more uninformed Democrats thinking they could destroy Trump, he releases it and it destroys some of the Democrat favorites, making Trump look good for trying to protect them until he could no more and was forced to let the list out.
This doesn't make sense. Presumably anyone who was actually involved in Epstein's pedophilia knows what he did and so wouldn't be pushing to release the files.
Then again Pam Bondi's stunt with the binders doesn't inspire confidence in her intelligence, did she not even bother to look at what was in the binders before giving them out?
I've said it before so I'll say it again, everyone is just guessing.
I do find it interesting that none of your reasons include Trump is also guilty.