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John T's avatar

What I find funny in this free speech matter is what the so called free speech is about. No one says anything when someone supporting ISIS is arrested. However, Hamas another terrorist organization being given support and sympathy is viewed differently. If people understood the groups that say death to America and Israel, really mean that when they say it. Where does the protection come in? There are even elected leaders of congress that give sympathy to terrorist organizations with no consequences. That is how far we have gone from what is truly being protected in the country.

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Elizabeth's avatar

I too am watching this with caution. A Korean woman, who has some type of residency in the US for decades, has apparently been snatched up as well for her speech. However, the Fire in a theater analogy is not the correct standard. It was enunciated during the prosecution of a pacifist and a socialist handing out leaflets against the draft in WWI. His conviction was upheld by Justice Holmes. So in fact it was an anti-free speech decision. The case was later overturned. The standard is now that speech which supports law-breaking or violence is protected unless its purpose is to incite immediate criminal action or violence and it is likely to do so. While I despise the entities such as the ACLU taking up the cause when they were not only silent during the Covid War, but participants in it, Free Speech is our crowning jewel to be protected. We cannot forget that the Patriot Act, which was promised to swing out only outwards, was soon swung inwards.

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