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Kerrylee's avatar

I too am watching this with caution. A Korean woman, who has some type of residency in the US for decades, has apparently been snatched up as well for her speech. However, the Fire in a theater analogy is not the correct standard. It was enunciated during the prosecution of a pacifist and a socialist handing out leaflets against the draft in WWI. His conviction was upheld by Justice Holmes. So in fact it was an anti-free speech decision. The case was later overturned. The standard is now that speech which supports law-breaking or violence is protected unless its purpose is to incite immediate criminal action or violence and it is likely to do so. While I despise the entities such as the ACLU taking up the cause when they were not only silent during the Covid War, but participants in it, Free Speech is our crowning jewel to be protected. We cannot forget that the Patriot Act, which was promised to swing out only outwards, was soon swung inwards.

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Steven's avatar

I find it curious how many outlets can directly quote Rubio saying "not just because you want to write op-eds, but because you want to participate in movements" and then immediately claim that a deportation order IS "just because" of an op-ed. If you're calling him a liar at least do it openly, but standard reading comprehension suggests that he's directly refuting the claim that's all there is to it.

I haven't seen a single time the administration has claimed the order was due to the op-ed at all, much less "just" because of the op-ed, rather than involvement (however tenuous) with illegal activities in support of a designated terrorist organization. AFAICT, the claim that it has anything at all to do with an op-ed originated solely from the person being ordered deported, not from our government. But hey, the news moves fast these days, has ANYONE seen or heard our government actually claim that the op-ed is the only reason (or even one of the reasons) for this deportation?

IF TRUE, that would indeed be concerning. So why doesn't the press seem at all interested in investigating whether it is in fact true or not?

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