After the book and popular movie, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, revealed the vicious brutality of mental hospitals, especially electroconvulsive therapy and horrific brain operations like lobotomies, both forms of so-called treatments for the vulnerable mentally ill
Hi, so i understand your concerns but i also feel as though you are misinformed. So while a lot of what you said is true, there are serious risks of memory loss, heart damage, etc. the good news is this is only done as a last resort, usually because drugs do not work to treat whatever psychiatric condition they are trying to treat. I see a ton of people dying in Canada by the MAID program and I think it’s a shame they don’t try ECT as a last chance effort. It does have the potential to 100% cure depression. And while we don’t understand how it works we also take wild guesses as to how medications work because we’re unable to see the brain respond to medicine in real time.
Killing people under the MAID program is an abomination. From that perspective, ECT might be better than outright killing them, but that's a very low bar. Better we stop MAID and ECT.
"If adults really want brain damage, that is their business."
Really? Are there no laws? No regulations to protect patients? misguided, "mentally ill" or otherwise? Any snake oil con is fair game? Any manner of exploitation is their business?
This is the argument that gives us these "treatments" which are simply the exploitation of vulnerable people whether its electro-shock, lobotomy, or "Trans." Once proven profitable, the market always, ALWAYS, expands to minors and children.
"Like the brain chemistry imbalance theory that Big Psych and Big Pharma have pushed for decades, which new studies now show to be a house of cards completely unsupported by actual science, they make it up to suit their profits." Thank you for stating this. Back in the late 90's, I used to be able to find some full "brain chemistry" studies published, but now I can only find one-paragraph abstracts. Most of these "studies" are an absolute crock. The newest meaningless word in the bandwagon lingo is "neurodivergent," and every time I read this word, usually in reference to "my child is neurodivergent," I want to remind the babbler on the bandwagon that all of us diverge.
They make it up as they go. Like many medications, once too many adverse events sink one drug, the next one comes out as 'safe and effective' and the profits keep rolling in.
It's not that the drug sinks....it's that it doesn't work at all. They then prescribe another med to make the 1st med more effective and the patient develops tics and involuntary movements (Tardadykenisia) and they prescribe another med for that. Pretty soon, these people are walking zombies!
This is despicable false information intended to frighten vulnerable persons away from a life-saving treatment. Studies show that ECT is associated with less brain damage than untreated severe depression. Anyone who still quotes One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as a reliable description of contemporary ECT is living in the past. Untreated severe depression kills, not ECT.
Hi, so i understand your concerns but i also feel as though you are misinformed. So while a lot of what you said is true, there are serious risks of memory loss, heart damage, etc. the good news is this is only done as a last resort, usually because drugs do not work to treat whatever psychiatric condition they are trying to treat. I see a ton of people dying in Canada by the MAID program and I think it’s a shame they don’t try ECT as a last chance effort. It does have the potential to 100% cure depression. And while we don’t understand how it works we also take wild guesses as to how medications work because we’re unable to see the brain respond to medicine in real time.
Killing people under the MAID program is an abomination. From that perspective, ECT might be better than outright killing them, but that's a very low bar. Better we stop MAID and ECT.
"If adults really want brain damage, that is their business."
Really? Are there no laws? No regulations to protect patients? misguided, "mentally ill" or otherwise? Any snake oil con is fair game? Any manner of exploitation is their business?
This is the argument that gives us these "treatments" which are simply the exploitation of vulnerable people whether its electro-shock, lobotomy, or "Trans." Once proven profitable, the market always, ALWAYS, expands to minors and children.
good point, Stan
"Like the brain chemistry imbalance theory that Big Psych and Big Pharma have pushed for decades, which new studies now show to be a house of cards completely unsupported by actual science, they make it up to suit their profits." Thank you for stating this. Back in the late 90's, I used to be able to find some full "brain chemistry" studies published, but now I can only find one-paragraph abstracts. Most of these "studies" are an absolute crock. The newest meaningless word in the bandwagon lingo is "neurodivergent," and every time I read this word, usually in reference to "my child is neurodivergent," I want to remind the babbler on the bandwagon that all of us diverge.
They make it up as they go. Like many medications, once too many adverse events sink one drug, the next one comes out as 'safe and effective' and the profits keep rolling in.
It's not that the drug sinks....it's that it doesn't work at all. They then prescribe another med to make the 1st med more effective and the patient develops tics and involuntary movements (Tardadykenisia) and they prescribe another med for that. Pretty soon, these people are walking zombies!
Thanks for bringing this topic to the forefront….. I thought this practice had died especially after the movie brought it to light!
You would have thought.
This is despicable false information intended to frighten vulnerable persons away from a life-saving treatment. Studies show that ECT is associated with less brain damage than untreated severe depression. Anyone who still quotes One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest as a reliable description of contemporary ECT is living in the past. Untreated severe depression kills, not ECT.
Brain damage is NEVER a treatment